tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874352492088086371.post430543497626840431..comments2023-09-14T09:05:28.328+01:00Comments on Naval Requirements: Whatever Happened to the Type 45?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874352492088086371.post-56797978790937674172010-10-09T09:01:52.447+01:002010-10-09T09:01:52.447+01:00The Navy may have asked for 14 of these but the qu...The Navy may have asked for 14 of these but the question remains would they really need that many. While 6 is not enough 14 seems over kill. The original plan seems to be to have used the T45's to supplement the other escorts. Nice spending other people money but do we really need 7000 tone moder battle ship chasing round pirates or getting the hell beaten out of them by the weather in the south atlantic to inspect fishinh nets.<br /><br />The arguments about the D's run both ways. Yes we need more of them but they are far more capable than what we had before. Hulls and radards are difficult to add onto a vessel or change but VLS's and anithsip missles are easy to change over time. It maid sense for the navy to get as many of these vessel into service as it could even with reduced inital capability. I only wish they managed to get 2 or 4 more.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792148302262440324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874352492088086371.post-66559596702279305172009-12-23T15:48:00.487+00:002009-12-23T15:48:00.487+00:00Alex you don't see to have included contact de...Alex you don't see to have included contact details....<br /><br />The problems and delays with the Type 45 and the Sea Viper system are worrying, since they were meant to enter service in 2007 and at least partly fill the gap in defensive capability left by the premature retirement of the Sea Harrier. I hope the following comments and threads are of interest to you:<br /> <br />I did my best, as did others, to fight the cause for Sea Harrier on PPRuNe and other places and in other ways, letters to MPs, etc. Whilst we were unable to persuade the Government to retain a Shar squadron until CVF and JSF arrive, or at least the Type 45 arrived, or to keep a number of Sea Harriers in storage, I was relieved to discover back in February 2006 that some aircraft were being sent down to the School of Flight Deck Operations at Culdrose for training baby chockheads - better than the scrapyard, and at least they will be intact and regularly powered up and moved about, a good start if we needed to regenerate them, and hopefully still a deterrent to the Argies etc. I am unsure how many are there but quite few remain either stored or at Culdrose.<br /> <br />Can't help feeling that<br /> <br />a) Whilst still a disaster, the RN has managed to salvage something.<br />b) The SFDO aircraft will be in use, therefore should be in a reasonable state. Also they should deal with the weather better than Jags the RAF use for similar purposes as they're naval aircraft.<br />c) If RNR pilots could go from flying an airliner to a Shar every year, then the GR9 to FA2 transition would be less difficult.<br />d) Engine/airframe spares will be available as India intends to operate the Sea Harrier FRS 51 until 2012 and maybe until 2020. The Captor radar used by Typhoon is Blue Vixen therefore I'd imagine spares would be available that way, also "build to print" is what many parts of the defence industry like to hear.<br />e) Exchange tours would maintain radar and other air defence skills.<br />f) In a crisis, whilst the Shars are regenerated (including building/modifing parts as needed) a few RN/RNR pilots could get a short course in using radar etc from the RAF, it's a good job Typhoon has Blue Vixen in a new package. Less likely things were don in 1982, ships and aircraft got out of mothballs, units given new roles, etc.<br /> <br />Maybe, not quite all is lost........<br /> <br />The following links are from the Miltary Aircrew forum on the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network (PPRuNe). <br /> <br />These threads are rather long and may take hours to read properly, never read them in full so I can't say...<br /> <br />Firstly, the "Sea Jet" thread..... <br />http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98152<br /> <br />Discuss the Sea Harrier, service and retirement therof (in the aircraft retained for training and other purposes), CVF and JCA, other things that increase the risk of disaster (FF/DD cuts, MCMV cuts, SSN cuts - all at the same time as the high value amphibious shipping is increasing - as well as various other complaints. Did this thread help the RN save some? Who can say?<br /> <br />Since the Sea Harrier has now gone, the most important PPRuNe thread is the Future Carrier one......<br />http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=221116<br /> <br />This discusses all sorts of things relating to CVF including design, build, aircraft, training issues etc. Both thse threads include posting from both sides of the debate.WEBFhttp://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874352492088086371.post-60253376313464514092009-08-27T00:44:27.042+01:002009-08-27T00:44:27.042+01:00Interesting slant on the problem. Well thought out...Interesting slant on the problem. Well thought out.Chuck Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874352492088086371.post-20849802037435349112009-06-29T01:11:29.134+01:002009-06-29T01:11:29.134+01:00I will read this ASAP. Looks interesting and infor...I will read this ASAP. Looks interesting and informative!Mike Burlesonhttp://newwars.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com